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On 4 February 2010 19:07, Eric Wiltsher <(Address removed)> wrote:

DAB should ever have been sold as a wondrous audio device, it should have
been sold as 128 music and 56 for speech.

128 mp2 is crap. 128 mp3 is just about ok, 160 mp3 is pretty darn good. But then 64 AAC+ is slightly better than 128 mp3, and that's in the DAB+ standard which is where we should be going. And please stop repeating that people will accept poor quality and mono. People
expect constant improvements with technology. Look at digital TV. Surround sound, widescreen, High definition .... need I say more?
They have got it right for some reason – what's the excuse for radio?

Give people what they really, really want and they'll buy.

But clearly people don't want it!

As it goes, there is a manufacturers definition of a product making it.
BSB never got there, DAB is past the point of no return.

Sorry, disagree. But it could be saved if DAB+ is adopted as the standard.

FM is also far from dead.

Anyway, the subject is now over to when, for digital, not if.

You sound like the 'climate scientists' who say that the debate about Climate Change is over as the science is beyond doubt and doesn't need to be argued.

Sadly we may well be pushed into Digital radio for no reason other
than preventing a vast embarrasment. But it will be slow and painful and with no real advantages of digital vs analogue FM for 'normal' listening, FM will last a lot longer than many people could imagine.

Eric, in Slovakia, it may well be a different story, a younger country and less established broadcasters. What is good for Slovakia isn't necessary the case in the UK. Working in the industry here as I have done for the last 7 years, it's plain to see that there is little enthusiasm among broadcasters and more importantly listeners for the
DAB technology. I suggest that the outcome is far from clear here and in much of mainland Europe.

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Christopher England <(Address removed)> said:

The true benefit is in seeing Loving Awareness in action between me and Mr Conway.

We really ought to celebrate the new-found relationship between Christopher England and Steve Conway: it sounds as though they are very much in love.

But it's the "Loving Awareness" thing that concerns me. All that gentle ear kissing sounds kinky to me.Clearly, they were indoctrinated during their time on the love ship.

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We have discussed this many times here on Anorak nation so most of the issues of DAB have been covered before. I still hold the view that the main problem is the lack of any benefit in changing – both from a listeners and broadcasters point of view. With TV the denefits are many – greater capacity . widescreen , HD and lower transmission power required. Most of the advantages shouted about DAB are just not true.If the BBC was looking at economics versus listener value seriously , they should pull Radio 3 from FM and make it digital only, and put 6 music in its place on FM as i'm sure it's audience would be substantial if it had universal coverage. It would never happen of course as traditianalists believe that it is the BBC's place to provide Radio 3 to everyone at any cost even though it's audience is tiny for a national network.

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This is totally off topic but I am reminded that I had a banned card from the Civil War bubble gum card collection in the early 60s --- Painful Death:

This was considered to be totally unsuitable for children but we loved it.

Anything that was banned seem good as child, but as you grow-up you get over that (unless you are an anorak (-:)

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*From:* Geoff <(Address removed)>
*To:* (Address removed), (Address removed)
*Date:* Fri, 5 Feb 2010 02:11:24 +0000

We both have views on the snipped sections – so we'll see.

Eric, in Slovakia, it may well be a different story, a younger
country
and less established broadcasters. What is good for Slovakia isn't
necessary the case in the UK. Working in the industry here as I
have
done for the last 7 years, it's plain to see that there is little
enthusiasm among broadcasters and more importantly listeners for the
DAB technology. I suggest that the outcome is far from clear here
and in much of mainland Europe.

With respect, you've fallen into the same trap as a couple of others. Getting a feel for pubic interest is very easy today. What an industry says is also easy to gauge. Now 10 years ago it would have been much harder.
The irony is that I will often question something happening in the UK before the Brit has come across the subject.
I do agree that what is good for one country may not suit another. And I think that can extend to groups of people.
So maybe one group of people can be pro digital and others not.

Next some questions, people get there information from radio, TV, industry publications and newspaper – correct?
In my case I can access there very same media, plus a lot more, that I would have respected and used when I live in Bromley.

So with the greatest of respect Geoff, talking to people, reading, viewing and updating knowledge is (not all areas of the world agreed) very much up to the individual these days. And providing they have a working experience of an area (remember I do understand the English way) people can stay informed and in touch.

NOT DIRECTED AT YOU, I also believe there are a number of ways Slovak and Brits are the same. One is the reserved approach to change.

FYI, these isn't DAB running in Slovakia, in fact they've only just got started with DTTV. That's why IPTV services are doing so well and satellite. Some unscientific research follows

Regards
Eric

I asked my PA, Perfect English in the written word and better grammar than me :-), some questions:

Q1. What bit rates do you use for your iPod and MP3 rates on your phone A1. I do not know
Q2. What is 192 bit rate
A2. Never heard of it
Q3. Which is these sound better, worse – comments.
A3. The second in tinny the first sounds normal.
(The second was a well know UK station with a 128K stream, the first was a talk station using 56K)
Q4. How often do you listen to FM and how often to digital?
A4. The internet is digital right? (Yes) And Xpress is FM in the car? (YES). Then I listen to about 15 minutes of FM and 8 hours of digital. Q5. Can you clarify the 8 hours of digital
A5. Well we have mostly internet on in the office, so when we are in the office it is digital and when I get home I normally listen to the radio on my PC when studying.

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On 5 February 2010 13:39, Eric Wiltsher <(Address removed)> wrote:

With respect, you've fallen into the same trap as a couple of others.

Aarrghh, the dreaded 'with respect...'

In my case I can access there very same media, plus a lot more, that I
would have respected and used when I live in Bromley.

Yes, but 'with respect', you don't work in the UK commercial radio industry.


FYI, these isn't DAB running in Slovakia, in fact they've only just got
started with DTTV. That's why IPTV services are doing so well and
satellite. Some unscientific research follows

IPTV will complement traditional TV, e.g. BBC Iplayer is fantastic.
But viewing content in general will remain as broadcast for a while
yet, with the likes of Sky+ and the other PVRs providing the
on-demand. Looking further ahead, as networks get faster, then the likes of true on demand content will become more and more popular and probably the only content with a need for trad broadcast TV media
would be live sport and audience participation shows.

I asked my PA, Perfect English in the written word and better grammar
than me :-), some questions:

Q1. What bit rates do you use for your iPod and MP3 rates on your phone
A1. I do not know
Q2. What is 192 bit rate
A2. Never heard of it
Q3. Which is these sound better, worse – comments.
A3. The second in tinny the first sounds normal.
(The second was a well know UK station with a 128K stream, the first was
a talk station using 56K)
Q4. How often do you listen to FM and how often to digital?
A4. The internet is digital right? (Yes) And Xpress is FM in the car?
(YES). Then I listen to about 15 minutes of FM and 8 hours of digital.
Q5. Can you clarify the 8 hours of digital
A5. Well we have mostly internet on in the office, so when we are in the
office it is digital and when I get home I normally listen to the radio
on my PC when studying.

Just anecdotes, really don't know what point you're making.

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*From:* Geoff <(Address removed)>
*To:* (Address removed), (Address removed)
*Date:* 05 Feb 2010 13:12:49 +0000

Yes, but 'with respect', you don't work in the UK commercial radio
industry.

In the UK is correct, but I do work within the UK commercial radio sector a lot for the company.

Just anecdotes, really don't know what point you're making.

Consumers see things in a different light to many within an industry. The questions resulted in no real interest in how the service was delivered, a 56K stream sounded "normal", a music stream sounded "tinny".

Regards
Eric

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I think that we have to consider mobile and fixed radio reception separately before we look at the complete picture.

Is there a satisfactory digital solution for mobile reception giving:

(a) continuous reception whilst driving in rural and urban areas; and

(b) glitch free streams?

In my opinion the answer is no for WIMAX, sat, 3g cellular and DAB.

What percentage of radio listeners listen  in-car?

Fixed reception is easier. There are a number of solutions that work very well from a technology viewpoint but would your 80 year mum cope? DAB is pretty good in respect of the user interface and works in areas reasonably near to transmitters. It good for people who listen predominantly to one or two stations

The internet radio --- Reciva type solution --- is excellent technologically but the user interface is far too complicated. If fails the 80 year old mum test.

Satellite and DTB are not well known about.

Looking at mobile and fixed together, the lack of a viable digital mobile solution makes phasing out of AM and FM very difficult. LW and MW will soon be commercial non-viable and all but the BBC will go. FM will more than likely limp-on for many years.

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Christopher England <(Address removed)> said:

From the award winning Christopher England blog: The whole "Climate
change" scare is pretend and really about population control –
http://tumblr.com/xjb640lyt

 
It may also be about control over energy supplies and extracting the largest amount of money possible from the people who have to buy it

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