Now we know which ISPs will monitor our activity and rat on us.

BT, Virgin, Orange, Tiscali, BSkyB and Carphone Warehouse.

BT what happens about unlicensed "radio" streams?

How do we know which streams are licensed and unlicensed?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7522334.stm

Customers who illegally share music will get warning letters

Six of the UK's biggest net providers have agreed a plan with the music industry to tackle piracy online.

The deal, negotiated by the government, will see hundreds of thousands of letters sent to net users suspected of illegally sharing music.

But the music industry wants people's internet cut off if they ignore repeated warnings, something the web firms say they are not prepared to do.

BT, Virgin, Orange, Tiscali, BSkyB and Carphone Warehouse have all signed up.

Feargal Sharkey, chief executive of British Music Rights, said the plan was "a first step, and a very big step, in what we all acknowledge is going to be quite a long process".

I've checked with my ISP, Zen. It's a non-ratter.

Well done Zen!

Has anyone had any experience of real noise cancellation headphones (for silence rather than for music)?

Does anything cheaper than Bose actually work?

In article <3853648040c2f5c596cce65a83055d76@jiglu-wc>, 2@slewis.biz (Sterling Times) wrote:

Now we know which ISPs will monitor our activity and rat on us.

BT, Virgin, Orange, Tiscali, BSkyB and Carphone Warehouse.

BT what happens about unlicensed "radio" streams?

How do we know which streams are licensed and unlicensed?

I wonder what will happen to all those folks who don't realise that wi-fi can be accessed by anyone if they are close enough :-)
I asked a mate to do a test for me this morning, one in London and another in another major town, and asked he scan for free access wi-fi. The London result was amazing.
Now add to that the many places like libraries who offer access, who gets the blame there?
Equally, what about going into an internet cafe with a USB stick......

I can see what they're saying but it's another non-workable scheme and the only people that will get picked on are probably those that know nothing about the Internet and have probably never done even the slightest thing wrong in their life.

And I guess companies will also get fined if an employee downloads.

This reminds me of early satellite with all the dodgy cards. As I said to one well known group, make your service so appealing that people won't want to get a pirate card – nuff said.

Eric

Eric Tesug <...> said:

h a USB stick…...

I can see what they're saying but it's another non-workable scheme and
the only people that will get picked on are probably those that know
nothing about the Internet and have probably never done even the
slightest thing wrong in their life.

I've been know to access some slightly conservative websites from time to time, and I've even listened to Rush Limbaugh. Presumably, this information has already been sent to Gordon Brown's thought police.

Now, is it illegal to listen to an internet radio station that it not licensed by the PCPS, PRS etc.? A licensed station would have the right to sub-license its listeners to listen, but an unlicensed station would have no such licence.

A listener to an unlicensed internet station must be a music thief.

A duty must of course rest on the listener to determine whether the broadcaster is licensed with the music authorities.

In article <29bb37b1a900ac8ec58daede2a532331@jiglu-wc>, 2@slewis.biz (Sterling Times) wrote:

A duty must of course rest on the listener to determine whether the
broadcaster is licensed with the music authorities.

You mean like Caroline, RNI and Laser – hmmm interesting :-)

Eric

Eric Tesug <...> said:

In article <29bb37b1a900ac8ec58daede2a532331@jiglu-wc>, 2@slewis.biz
(Sterling Times) wrote:

 

A duty must of course rest on the listener to determine whether the
broadcaster is licensed with the music authorities.

You mean like Caroline, RNI and Laser – hmmm interesting :-)

Eric

In respect of music licensing, exactly!

However RNI etc. were also broadcasting without a radio licence.

As I understand it, having "economic residence" in the UK places one under the UK licensing regime. So "receiving" material from overseas is already problematic.

If you listen to a UK licensed station over the internet then the royalties have been paid for you to listen, but receiving music for which the royalties have not been paid is the same as buying a pirated CD at a market stall.

Whether you knew whether the content was licensed or not is of no conseqence. The listener should carry out his own due dilligence to determine whether the content is licensed.

Sterling Times <2@slewis.biz> said:
Has anyone had any experience of real noise cancellation headphones (for
silence rather than for music)?

Does anything cheaper than Bose actually work?

Hi,
I bought the Sony headphones and took them back to the shop,as they were not up to the standard of a friends Bose headphones that I tried. As I thought the Bose were expensive I then tried out several cheaper versions in shops – NONE came even close to the Bose headphones. I ended up buying the Bose, its the old tale of "you get what you pay for" I have worn the Bose on several long aeroplane journeys (10 hr flights) and it is the only times I have truely gone into a deep sleep (silence IS golden).
 The best selling point I can make for them is: My wife who NOT a gadget person, insisted that she bought a pair for when she travels by plane now. They are also suberb quality for sound when watching "in flight" movies. If you know anyone going to the USA for a holiday see if they can pick you a set up. My wifes (due to the value of the Dollar and Sales) cost about 60% of my pair. I have the "over the ear type" and cannot comment on the Bose "on the ear" type. Hope this helps you.

Terry

In article <0fb04f6ee7d18fe858ca8526a5801570@jiglu-wc>, 2@slewis.biz (Sterling Times) wrote:

Whether you knew whether the content was licensed or not is of no
conseqence. The listener should carry out his own due dilligence to
determine whether the content is licensed.

Tell me about it – know those rules. However, what on earth would happen if you ended up in court with such a case. It would cost millions to explain it to the judges and lawyers – which reminds me

A lawyer died and went to heaven.
St. Peter met him at the pearly gates.
The lawyer was so surprised and yet pleased
"Why did you decide to meet me St. Peter?", the lawyer asked.
St. Peter replied, "We can't recall ever that a man has lived to the age of 963 years before".
Lawyer responds, "How did you come up with that age, I mean how did you work it out?"
St. Peter said, "We added up your time sheets".

I'll get me coat.

Eric Tesug <...> said:

A lawyer died and went to heaven.
St. Peter met him at the pearly gates.
The lawyer was so surprised and yet pleased
"Why did you decide to meet me St. Peter?", the lawyer asked.
St. Peter replied, "We can't recall ever that a man has lived to the age
of 963 years before".
Lawyer responds, "How did you come up with that age, I mean how did you
work it out?"
St. Peter said, "We added up your time sheets".

That's a good lawyer joke 10/10.

Eric Tesug <...> said:

if you ended up in court with such a case. It would cost millions to
explain it to the judges and lawyers – which reminds me

Of course, it's an impossible position to resolve. This is why payola and music licensing can run side by side.

The industry thrives upon airplay, piracy and copyright abuse of all forms for publicity to drive sales. It [the industry] may also turn a bind-eye to the more unsavoury practices surrounding the industry.

For the industry, there must be good IPR abuse and bad IPR abuse, encourage desirable abuse wihtout losing income.

grahamfoy grahamfoy <...> said:

I would have thought the Dutch service of RNI would fall into this category and Mebo Ltd from the revenue from the Dutch service.
I would have thought that Radio Mi Amigo was highly profitable from 1974 up to perhaps 76 or so.
However, reducing revenues, breaks in air time and problems with various people taking a higher 'cut' killed this.
Atlantis I suspect made money from the Mi Amigo but did not from the Jeanine.
The 1979 Caroline Dutch service was also reportedly a profitable venture until the sinking of the ship. Revenu exceeding costs by ? £4,000 per month.
I'm sure Radio Monique was profitable as they kept Caroline afloat in the 80's
Looking at the 60's pirates a station such as Radio 270 was on target to break even by late autumn 1967.
My guess is that if you've got your figures right – control of costs and good revenues you could make money after 18 months pre MOA.
Laser – no but I'm sure that might have made an operating profit basis but not after taking into account the setting-up of the station.
Don't ask me about the Israeli stations.

 VOP was raking in money during my stint onboard in 1986/87 due to a strike on Israeli radio and tv lasting several weeks putting all of the tv and radio off air. Advertisers came flocking to the VOP in droves and we were running a huge amount of advertising during the six weeks or so that the strike lasted.

I don't know how much money the station made in those few weeks in total but it did pay for a new 10 kw transmitter....the cost?...nintey thousand US dollars. I saw Abie write the cheque! 

Sterling Times <2@slewis.biz> said:
Did any station close down having made a net profit after disposal of
assets?

I would broaden this question to ask if any offshore station ever made a profit?

Theo Bakker has NO made downloads of the testtransmissions of Red Sands Radio on Thursday 3 July. Who of you have made downloads of that day? Please place it here!

Doordat ik het begin van de uitzendingen van Red Sands Radio heb gemist heb ik ook de testuitzendingen niet opgenomen. Het is me ontglipt hoewel ik het in de gaten hield.Ik heb nog wel een paar opnamen van de eerste dag kunnen bemachtigen, maar er schijnt niemand te zijn die alles heeft opgenomen. Er moet iemand zijn, die werd genoemd in het laatste uur van de uitzendingen die alles heeft gemonitord. Maar waar die woont weet ik niet, ergens in Engeland. Ik zal er nog eens achteraan en proberen hem te achterhalen.Morgen komen de laatste links. Vandaag wilde het uploaden slecht, tweemaal mislukte het. Dus ik ben achter op mijn schema. Maar ik hoop alles zo gauw mogelijk op te sturen.Mocht je iemand weten die de eerste uren heeft of ook de testuitzendingen dan hoor ik dat graag! Hou ook even de website http://www.nowthatsradio.co.uk in de gaten. Daar komt informatie op over SRE die in augustus gaat uitzenden. Ik vermoed vanaf de 8e tot de 17e. Misschien kunnen meer mensen dit opnemen. Iets voor de verschillende sites om alvast te vermelden zodat iedereen de recorder standby kan zetten?Tot zover even. Tot morgen. Hartelijke groeten, Theo

Does somebody know what the letters SRE stand for?

Q_1_2_3_4_5_6 <...> said:

...

Does somebody know what the letters SRE stand for?

... of course Swinging Radio England !!! Fool, that I am, Nico.