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Just noticed on http://radiotatrasinternational.blogspot.com/

That due to circumstances beyond your control English language programmes have been withdrawn from the stations FM outlets but will continue on Sky ect,

Seems a strange thing to happen, Would you care to explain and i would guess it is now a bit awkward having to broadcast separate programming at certain times of the day?

Richard

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In article <790af1ed722cbe55e624405432470f05@jiglu-wc>, ... (Richard Sharpe) wrote:

Just noticed on http://radiotatrasinternational.blogspot.com/

That due to circumstances beyond your control English language
programmes have been withdrawn from the stations FM outlets but
will continue on Sky ect,

Seems a strange thing to happen, Would you care to explain and i
would guess it is now a bit awkward having to broadcast separate
programming at certain times of the day?



Not much to explain really, when a regulator says no – tis no.
It is hard work going through everything on the site, but that is the story and right now I don't really want or have anything to add.

The really awkward part is trying to explain to very upset people, mainly Slovak people, why they have lost shows they liked. It's particularly hard when I know some haven't the resources to go online to listen to shows or invest in satellite. They are the real people suffering.

Technically it's little more than an annoyance really. We have always worked through our UK Tech Team and as such to schedule things to be played out there for Sky/Eurobird and the Internet services is a fairly simple thing to instigate – the joys of modern technology.
So the Slovak language shows are being broadcast on the network as before, and when English language shows are on they are simply not aired on the FM services.
In short the network plays all the shows from Slovakia in exactly the same way, just that Slovakia no longer gets the English shows.

Great shame

Eric

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Hi Eric I too am suprised by this news as it's something that seems to have occured quite out of the blue.

At least you still have your digital platforms for airing English language programming. However it would cut into the general scheme of things at ground level I imagine.

Anyway, RTI has been a great success and regardless of the narrowing of the FM output I can't see that changing.

All the best,

David.

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Alan Milewczyk <...> said:
Radio Caroline NorthNo, Chris, the reason was much simpler. I never really understood until much later that the July 2nd 1964 "merger" of Caroline and Atlanta was one for marketing reasons only – so rather than competing against each other, they had their own geographical patch but could promote the stations using one "call sign". The ownership remained as before. Ronan's people ran their ship, Allan Crawford's theirs......

Alan's version of events is the same as I have always understood it but I have recently acquired a document laying out Radio Caroline's programme policy. It was issued by Christopher Moore just after the "merger" in 1964. The copy (which will be added to the Pirate Radio Hall of Fame next month) was given to Keith Martin, then working on Caroline South. It describes a very middle-of-the-road station with large chunks of the day given over to "standards – Sinatra, Peggy Lee, big bands, etc ." I don't know if the same document covered Caroline North.

So, I have a few questions:
1) Was Christopher Moore in charge of programming for both ships and, if so, did he decide that the South ship should be more MOR than the North.

2) Or was the MOR policy supposed to be followed on both ship but the Caroline North personnel chose to ignore his document and do their own thing?

3) Or, despite being one of Ronan's men, was Moore appointed to run Caroline South's programmes while someone else was in charge of the North's?

4) Or is there another explanation?

Anyone know?

Jonathan
www.offshoreradio.co.uk

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Hi Jonathan
 
That looks like an Interesting document.
 
I always assumed Christopher Moore was Programme Director for both stations, but I can't think of anything that formally says this was the case.
 
In the early days post merger, both stations adopted the same programme names, for example, "The Early Show", "The Big Line Up" and "Top Deck" being three that spring to mind. This indicates to me a desire to have a common programme naming, if not style, across the two stations. Sometime the following year, in the spring, I think, the major shows were renamed on the North Ship to the DJs name, eg "The Tom Lodge Show", "The Mike Ahern Show" and "The Bob Stewart Show".
 
I know that from the time I became a listener to the North ship when she took up anchorage in Ramsey Bay that the majority of the programming was chart oriented, although you would hear the occasional standard. I just recall an amazing freedom for the DJ to play what he wanted. For example, Tom Lodge was a fan of Elvis and PJ Proby and you would often hear oldies and album tracks from those two artists on his show, whereas other DJs had their own favourites.
 
I wish we had someone like Tom here, he would certainly be able to put his view across as he was the Head DJ on the North Ship at the time.

Alan
 
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Soul pix on the net at www.soulman1949.com
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Eric Tesug <...> said:

In article <790af1ed722cbe55e624405432470f05@jiglu-wc>,
... (Richard Sharpe) wrote:

Just noticed on http://radiotatrasinternational.blogspot.com/

That due to circumstances beyond your control English language
programmes have been withdrawn from the stations FM outlets but
will continue on Sky ect,

Seems a strange thing to happen, Would you care to explain and i
would guess it is now a bit awkward having to broadcast separate
programming at certain times of the day?

Not much to explain really, when a regulator says no – tis no.

Eric

 Just another string to the bow of anti-English across Europe. I can't see how a regulator just changes their mind after you have had an English language service for what? over 4-5 years? Did they consult anyone? Did stats say an English language wasn't required, or did the regulator just think ' Sodvich, Ve Vill Change Dis' !

 

I don't expect you to reply Eric, if you do, I will expect a carefully strung together phrase that won't upset zem, which I fully understand. For the regulator to change this unweighted seems a little drastic or draconian to say the least.

Za Guff 

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Alan Milewczyk <...> said:
Re: Radio Caroline North
In the early days post merger, both stations adopted the same programme names, for example, "The Early Show", "The Big Line Up" and "Top Deck" being three that spring to mind.

Those names are all in this document, Alan. The weekday programme schedule is listed as:

6am – 9am THE EARLY SHOW
9am – 10am BREAKFAST CLUB
10am – 11am THE SOUND OF MUSIC
11am – 12pm TOP DECK
12pm – 1pm DATE WITH CAROLINE
1pm – 2pm SPIN AROUND
2pm – 4pm SOUND TRACK
4pm – 6pm THE BIG LINE UP
6pm – 7pm CAROLINE CLUB REQUESTS
7pm – 9pm DOWN BEAT
12am – 3am THE LATE LATE SHOW

Chart hits were supposedly limited to breakfast time, lunchtime, late afternoon and the post-midnight show with standards and show-tunes during the morning and early afternoon. I suppose this makes sense as – during school term-time at least – the available audience during the morning and afternoon would be older.

Jonathan
www.offshoreradio.co.uk

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Hallo everyone. Here is the latest and also the last news about the weekly printed copy of the Dutch top-40. Greetings of Nico from Gouda, the Netherlands.

Ter nadere informatie m.b.t. de top-40. Protesteren moet op http://www.freerecordshop.nl/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/FreeRecordShop-FRS_B2C_NL-Site/nl_NL/-/EUR/ContactForm-Misc?FormId=Misc Alvast héél hartelijk bedankt hiervoor !!! Nico.

"Hierbij gelast ik dat voor straf álle FRS-winkels in gehéél Nederland op zaterdag 14 juni 2008 de gehéle dag gesloten dienen te blijven"

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Yes, I've got two printed programme schedules, one from 65 and another from 66 (by which time Tom Lodge had left for th South ship and the breakfast show was then known as the "Leighton Early Show"). The 65 schedule makes similar comments about programme content as your document.
 
I know when Tom got to the South Ship he introduced the "one in, one out" system, meaning that a track from the UK charts would be followed by something not in the charts, eg an album track or an oldie (or "golden gasser" as they were called on the North ship). I'm pretty sure that by 65 that sort of style was in use on the North ship, although I don't have any recordings or record listings to confirm that.

Alan
 
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Soul pix on the net at www.soulman1949.com
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From: "Alan Milewczyk" <...>

I'm pretty sure
that by 65 that sort of style was in use on the North ship, although I
don't have any recordings or record listings to confirm that.

There are some Caroline North recordings at http://www.merseypirates.com/

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From the Offshore Radio.de website, The LV 18 in her full glory as Sunshine Radio, Scroll down a bit,

http://www.offshore-radio.de/newsflash.htm

Richard

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Thanks for that URL, I downloaded those a while back but lost the recordings and the URL when I had a system crash a while back.

Alan
 
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Soul pix on the net at www.soulman1949.com
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Q_1_2_3_4_5_6 <...> said:
Hallo everyone. Here is the latest and also the fore-last news about the
weekly printed copy of the Dutch top-40. Greetings of Nico from Gouda,
the Netherlands.

Ter nadere informatie m.b.t. de top-40. Protesteren moet op
http://www.freerecordshop.nl/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/FreeRecordShop-FRS_B2C_NL-Site/nl_NL/-/EUR/ContactForm-Misc?FormId=Misc
Alvast héél hartelijk bedankt hiervoor !!! Nico.

"Hierbij gelast ik dat voor straf álle FRS-winkels in gehéél Nederland
op zaterdag 14 juni 2008 de gehéle dag gesloten dienen te blijven"

From: q_1_2_3_4_5_6xhotmail.com
To: chartsmanxhotmail.com
Subject: RE: GÉÉN "gedrukt exemplaar" meer van de top-40!!!
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:28:49 +0000

Hallo Martijn. Dat is dan héél écht JAMMER. Daarom heb ik besloten om
een weblog te gaan maken waar de top-40 zoveel als mogelijk is nagemaakt
staat. Daarnaast neem ik nu zónder meer aan dat ik hierbij toestemming
van je heb gekregen om jouw antwoord naar anderen door te sturen.
Hartelijke groeten van Nico uit Gouda.

Hallo Nico,

De Top 40 zal definitief niet meer in Free Charts verschijnen.

Protesteren zal niet helpen.
Mocht je het toch willen proberen, doe het dan bij FRS, want de
Stichting Nederlandse Top 40 had graag verdere publicatie gewild.

Groeten,
Martijn

http://www.top40web.nl
De meest uitgebreide hitlijstensite van Nederland.

And here is LAST news in this topic:

Omdat "het gedrukte exemplaar" van de top-40 nu definitief "ter ziele" blijkt te zijn (zie het antwoord van Martijn Poortvliet in de posting hierboven) heb ik daarom een nu éígen top 40 weblog aangemaakt waarop de top-40 wekelijks zoveel als mogelijk is foutloos staat afgebeeld (i.p.v. afgedrukt(!)). Kijk op http://www.het-gedrukte-exemplaar-van-de-top40.blogspot.com/
Greetings of Nico from Gouda, the Netherlands.

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