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Saturday, 3 May 2008

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I think you're missing my point. It's not a question of accepting or not accepting it's the user's fault for being conned. Or even the comparison with dealing with salesmen and Jehovah's Witnesses.
 
You really have to put yourself in  the shoes of someone who is not computer savvy. You and I are the lucky ones. We're sold on the technology, accept the inherent risks and move forward. Not everyone is like that.
 
Let me explain further. I work for Salford Council basically promoting the value of having computer skills to the population of the city - it's a job I love as I've been at the forefront of computer technology for a major chunk of my life and I'm almost an evangelical advocate of the benefits of being "on the inside". The problem is that the fear (as built up by the press, for example, on the subject of viruses) can tend to paralyse people into inactivity - remember these are generally over 50s/over 60s/over 70s etc who are afraid of the technology. Afraid of pressing the wrong button and screwing things up, afraid of getting scammed, afraid of getting hit by viruses and not knowing how to sort the problem and/or not being able to afford to get the problem sorted. Don't get me wrong, I think I do a good job trying to reassure them, but if you're risk averse then the tendency is to do nowt - of course then you run the risk of being left behind, of being on the outside. You miss out on the benefits afforded by the technology - getting better deals online, having access to greater information on any subject 24/7, making friends with likeminded interests, etc etc. As I said I think I do a good job, but that's with the people who are intrigued enough to want to learn some more - the reality is that, for everyone who puts their name down to go on one of our courses, there are countless others who don't take that step, so I never get to see them. Education and changing people's attitudes all takes time.
 
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Quoting a previous Alan Milewczyk contribution:-

I think you're missing my point.

Ok.

You really have to put yourself in the shoes of someone who is not
computer savvy. You and I are the lucky ones. We're sold on the
technology, accept the inherent risks and move forward. Not everyone is
like that.

Let me explain further.

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Ok, so what's the answer? Maybe if there was something similar to the ECDL which was the result of a simple course but one that concentrated on the safety, protection, and appreciation of the scams, giving the potential new computer user a certificate and therefore confidence. Sort of like when the community police do local roadshows talking about marking things and not leaving windows open, etc.

Whilst I take your point that the associated fear of this mysterious thing called a 'virus' can be huge to those 'on the outside', isn't that similar to the fear of street crime being far greater than the chances of being a victim of crime on the street?

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As an anorak of the brilliant blog of faction being kept by 104.2 Blonde FM's breakfast show top DJ Zak De Luxe at http://breakfastdj.blogspot.com
I was sad to see it come to an end.

But what a brilliant ending, and so well written too. Apparently he'll start blogging again in September, but the hint is that there's a book in the offing. Let's hope so.

He's now deleted all but the last two entries, yet there had been an entry a day since January 16th. Subbing all that down has got to leave a pretty decent book which will start to rock the country about the corrupt and evil way that radio is now run in the UK, unless all the real juicy bits are left out.

So, well done Zak whoever you are. Thanks for such a compulsive read!


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Hi Chris
 
First of all, thanks for the descriptive writeup.
 
I think you've hit the nail on the head when you talk about finding use for things, certainly as far as I'm concerned. When mobiles first hit the streets, I certainly wasn't particularly sold on something that was the size and weight of a brick. I got sold on the concept of being contactable in case of emergencies when I was out of the office and of, course, being able to able to contact others in the same scenario - for example, "I'm going to be late because I'm stuck in a traffic jam", or "I'm lost - can you beam me in". Sold on texting because you can convey a message without getting into a full blown telephone conversation, that sort of thing. I agree it's a matter of finding a hook. Using a camera on a mobile doesn't do it for me as I've a far superior digital SLR, although having something when I'm not carrying the camera, well, maybe. Satnav I don't have and don't need that often but I can see the value of it - currently the cost outweighs the need and I've other things I'd rather spend my money on, such as music CDs. Although I don't think of myself as being particularly focussed (as I don't "do" games or "toys"), but I suppose I must be to a degree, as I'm open to features that I can hook into.
 
I think that what's happening with Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, Jaiku and the like is that I'm sitting on the sidelines and thinking "uhoh, it's more of the same" and I really can't be bothered exploring the differences. Now if someone were to tell me, you really need to look at da-de-dah because it does do-de-do, now that might prompt me to move to have a closer look. This past few weeks, I've been watching the feature in BBC's Click proggie on new sites on the web and none of the features excites me enough, but maybe something will come up that will get me to the edge of my seat. But playing effin' mindless games feeding someone to Vampires on Facebook just doesn't do it for me!
 
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I don't think there are any easy answers, education is the only one I can see and that's a long game. And, of course, lots just don't get through the door.
 
As for the analogy to street crime, yes I think it's a good analogy. To those who feel vulnerable, I'm sure they will feel the only option is to stay away!
 
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Quoting a previous Alan Milewczyk contribution:-

When mobiles first hit
the streets, I certainly wasn't particularly sold on something that was
the size and weight of a brick. I got sold on the concept of being
contactable in case of emergencies when I was out of the office and of,
course, being able to able to contact others in the same scenario

See, now for me, my mobile journey was the 'toy' phase first. I remember walking round with my first Vodafone 'transportable' which (I think) only had service in Greater London, and a battery life of about 10 minutes. It was a handset with a curly cord running down to a sort of toolbox sized base unit with a handle on it. You'd carry it around like it was a damn full toolbox – it was seriously heavy.

Pretty soon (and upgrading models whenever I could – damn, I must have spent a fortune!) I was actually using it more and more for work, although I could have lived without it if I'm honest. A friend of mine who was a domestic appliance (washing machines!) fixer got one and it pretty soon became an essential point of contact for his 'office' (his wife at their home phone number) to pass on details of people wanting his attendance. It became an essential tool for him, obviously getting to a stage where he couldn't live without it. Interestingly, nowadays people publish their mobile number as a first point of contact. In those days you didn't. Dunno why.

I remember around the time I'm talking about the mobile phone concept (which was by now a brick but at least a single unit) was being laughed at and mobile phone users were the butt of cruel jokes on TV (probably by annoying comedians like Jasper Carrot) with the mobile phone depicted as being a 'yuppy' toy mainly used by the fithy rich in 'the City'. There was a lot of 'working class' resentment against mobile phones. One day I was walking to a railway station but on my brick phone trying to talk to a client about something important when this charming yoof coming towards me spat at me and shouted something like "Fucking buy, buy, buy, sell, sell, sell, you fucking toff". I've often wondered if he's now walking around with half a dozen phones texting away and thinks mobile telephony is ok and part of life.

So, what I'm meandering on about is how one minute things can seem a pointless toy, and the next minute they're an essential part of life. Look at texts. Explain to people 15 years ago that life today would be run by people having complete conversations by text – even romancing each other, falling in love, or dumping each other – and they'd have said you were mad! Hey, I'm not allowed to 'talk' to my son. "Why you ringing me dad, I told you to text me."

In that context, things like Twitter don't make a lot of sense to a lot of folk now, but they will in, say, 15 years from now. That's when somebody will be writing, "Hey, you know 15 years ago nobody would believe that Twittering would take off and become part of everyday life..."

Having said that, I'm not actually saying Twitter will become a singularity like "texting", but I do think the basics of what we see now with 360 degree social networking will go on forever, becoming integrated into life as we know it.

Using a camera
on a mobile doesn't do it for me as I've a far superior digital SLR,
although having something when I'm not carrying the camera, well, maybe.

Case in point! I'm the same with cameras, but in a minor road accident I was able to take evidence photos on my mobile!

Satnav I don't have and don't need that often but I can see the value of
it

Ah, but you get the right mobile phone, and it's already on it!

But playing effin' mindless games feeding someone
to Vampires on Facebook just doesn't do it for me!

Same here. I'm an anti-'application' man on Facebook! Don't see the point. But, live and let live I guess. If thousands are doing it, it must have something about it that I don't get (yet).
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Q_1_2_3_4_5_6 <...> said:
Hallo everyone. Next week Thursday, Friday and Saturday, Radio Seagull
and Radio Waddenzee will both become really off-shore radio stations,
broadcasting from the Dutch Waddensea near the bird-island "Griend". The
transmitter on its schip "Janni Baynton" will then be used and will be
better received in England than its land-transmitter at Pietersbierum.
For more details about this you can read
http://www.radioseagull.com/news.htm
Greetings of Nico from Gouda, the Netherlands.

See the nice photos on C:\Documents and Settings\Admins\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\01M3WDAN\waddenzee2[1] Just a little "Ross Revenge"!
Offshore radiostations-greetings of Nico from Gouda, the Netherlands.

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Q_1_2_3_4_5_6 <...> said:

Q_1_2_3_4_5_6 <...> said:
Hallo everyone. Next week Thursday, Friday and Saturday, Radio Seagull
and Radio Waddenzee will both become really off-shore radio stations,
broadcasting from the Dutch Waddensea near the bird-island "Griend". The
transmitter on its schip "Janni Baynton" will then be used and will be
better received in England than its land-transmitter at Pietersbierum.
For more details about this you can read
http://www.radioseagull.com/news.htm
Greetings of Nico from Gouda, the Netherlands.

See the nice photos on http://www.sendspace.com/file/hsonmb

and also on http://www.radiohooligan.nl/waddenzee.zip

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Q_1_2_3_4_5_6 <...> said:

Q_1_2_3_4_5_6 <...> said:
Hallo everyone. Next week Thursday, Friday and Saturday, Radio Seagull
and Radio Waddenzee will both become really off-shore radio stations,
broadcasting from the Dutch Waddensea near the bird-island "Griend". The
transmitter on its schip "Janni Baynton" will then be used and will be
better received in England than its land-transmitter at Pietersbierum.
For more details about this you can read
http://www.radioseagull.com/news.htm
Greetings of Nico from Gouda, the Netherlands.

See the nice photos on http://www.sendspace.com/file/hsonmb

and also on http://www.radiohooligan.nl/waddenzee.zip

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Q_1_2_3_4_5_6 <...> said:

Q_1_2_3_4_5_6 <...> said:
Hallo everyone. Next week Thursday, Friday and Saturday, Radio Seagull
and Radio Waddenzee will both become really off-shore radio stations,
broadcasting from the Dutch Waddensea near the bird-island "Griend". The
transmitter on its schip "Janni Baynton" will then be used and will be
better received in England than its land-transmitter at Pietersbierum.
For more details about this you can read
http://www.radioseagull.com/news.htm
Greetings of Nico from Gouda, the Netherlands.

See the nice photos on http://www.sendspace.com/file/hsonmb

and also on http://www.radiohooligan.nl/waddenzee.zip

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Quoting a previous Q_1_2_3_4_5_6 contribution:-

See the nice photos on C:\Documents and Settings\Admins\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\01M3WDAN\waddenzee2[1]

Erm, that'll be your computer I think, which I'm guess we can't access!!
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Quoting a previous Q_1_2_3_4_5_6 contribution:-

See the nice photos on C:\Documents and Settings\Admins\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\01M3WDAN\waddenzee2[1]

 Erm, that'll be your computer I think, which I'm guess we can't access!!

 * Christopher England just said that *

Guess he's realised the error, but why send the correct info in triplicate?

Anyhow, very nice pictures Nico.

Andy

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From: "Christopher England" <...>

As an anorak of the brilliant blog of faction being kept by 104.2 Blonde
FM's breakfast show top DJ Zak De Luxe at
http://breakfastdj.blogspot.com
I was sad to see it come to an end.

Yep been following that with interest.


But what a brilliant ending, and so well written too. Apparently he'll
start blogging again in September, but the hint is that there's a book
in the offing. Let's hope so.



Yes let's hope so.


He's now deleted all but the last two entries, yet there had been an
entry a day since January 16th. Subbing all that down has got to leave a
pretty decent book which will start to rock the country about the
corrupt and evil way that radio is now run in the UK, unless all the
real juicy bits are left out.



Oh I do hope the juicy bits ARE left in!


So, well done Zak whoever you are. Thanks for such a compulsive read!

I think we all have our own idea about who it is. But I'm also glad he/they haven't been outed in public as it may have spoilt it big time. This is blogging of the highest quality!

 

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Quoting a previous Andy contribution:-

Erm, that'll be your computer I think, which I'm guess we can't
access!!

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Guess he's realised the error,

Yeah, my bad. I replied before I saw the new corrections. Sorry!

but why send the correct info in
triplicate?

AM, FM, and Shortwave?


Anyhow, very nice pictures Nico.

Agreed. Loved the sun reflecting on the sea on the full-frame one of the ship. Anoraky or what!

You gotta hand it to the Seagull / Waddenzee guys. They are actually living the dream. Good on 'em I say.
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Quoting a previous Steve Martin contribution:-

This is blogging of the highest quality!

However, it's also a pretty good way of pre-teasing (foreplay??) a book. A bit like http://hollysinbox.com in a way. That was/is really just a publicity stunt in order to sell a book. Both are excellent examples of well orchestrated Viral Marketing.

So, taking that one stage further, I need a Viral Marketing of the concept that I should take over from Pete Price!

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