Friday, 25 April 2008
Quoting a previous Andy contribution:-
Don't they also have to be accompanied by a police officer if they are
holding a warrant?
I'm not 100%, but I think it can be a court or registered bailiff instead of police.
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Quoting a previous Alan Milewczyk contribution:-
Anyway, what you're suggesting would an administrative nightmare.
Which is why it would make more sense for the fee to cease, and be replaced by just transferring funds from the Treasury. A bit like how we fund the Army (etc., etc., etc.). Sure, leave the BBC with its charter, its structures of accountability, it having to be for any rise to its income, exactly as now, but just take away the need for a license fee collection.
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Quoting a previous plus8 plus8 contribution:-
They are top heavy in useless middle management
positions, promoting ' on message' policies like 'safeguarding trust'.
To the non initiated this means thou shalt not tell porkies to the
audience. I was informed as a freelance, I could not be continued to be
employed until a had attended a brainwash course of this nonsense. I had
no option but to waste a morning absorbing the f**ing obvious. All
production and operational staff have to comply.
Have you noticed how its all done in multi-media these days too, this indoctrinating bollox. How much does that cost to produce, eh?
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Quoting a previous Christopher England contribution:-
it having to be for any rise to its
income,
The 'be' there should have been 'beg'. Now that makes sense, dunnit.
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Christopher England said:
Which is why it would make more sense for the fee to cease, and be
replaced by just transferring funds from the Treasury. A bit like how
we fund the Army (etc., etc., etc.). Sure, leave the BBC with its
charter, its structures of accountability, it having to be for any rise
to its income, exactly as now, but just take away the need for a license
fee collection.
I think there needs to be a clear separation between Government and the BBC. To get funding from the Treasury would be too much cosying up for my liking, regardless of charters. The currrent flawed system of revenue raising through the Licence Fee is hopelessly flawed as we've discussed, but at least the BBC remains largely independent of Govt. (or so we are told!) I fear the only realistic alternative may be advertising.
Regards,
Giles.
In article <129e4620d7c77eb12022a67b7ecd19fd@jiglu-wc>, ... (Neil Gates) wrote:
BBC Should have two national stations and one local, the rest
handed out for commercial ventures.
So what would you keep – Radios 1 and 2 and ditch the rest?
In article <8a615b2c90a66ffdd91f7b96efc12678@jiglu-wc>, ... (gloworm558 .) wrote:
I do feel the fee itself though, as a method of supporting the Beeb
must be well past its sell-by date. The Beeb make a fortune from
selling programmes abroad etc and even advertising (on BBC World
for example).
Yes they do Giles and if you look at the finance reporting you'll see that the income from overseas and/or secondary sales contributes to the license fee remaining lower than it should be.
Regards
Eric
Eric Tesug <...> said:
So what would you keep – Radios 1 and 2 and ditch the rest?
I would not keep any of the five networks as such, but have the two new stations supply programmes that reflect the best of there current five station network. That would be for the BBC to decide which was best, I'd make sure the charter advise them to supply documentaries, comedy and factual entertainment amongst other things.
Radio’s One and Two were set-up to replace the Offshore stations of the sixties, do we really need them to carry on doing this now? The BBC had a monopoly then and so had to supply all the entertainment the nation needed, do they really have to do that now in 2008?
It is unfair competition to other commercial ventures. For example I love the BBC's coverage of live football on Five Live, but lets be honest, they have restricted Talksport from covering live Footie by over inflating the price paid for matches, which is why Capital Gold pulled out, they could not make money because the BBC bought everything up at grossly inflated prices, and now supplies the Footie through Five Live, Five Live sport extra and their string of local stations. There's a proven audience for football on the radio, but the BBC have made it uneconomical to broadcast live football on commercial radio.
Steve
gloworm558 . <...> said:
at least the BBC remains largely independent of Govt. (or so we are
told!)
Hmmmmm.......
The Chairman appointed by the Government I think ?
Christmas trees rubber stamped, by the 'Spooks', on senior producer's personnel files ?
plus8 plus8 <...> said:
Christmas trees rubber stamped, by the 'Spooks', on senior producer's
personnel files ?
For more enlightenment go to :-
In article <5a3cdfa19dc401100478ee024b4712b5@jiglu-wc>, ... (Stephen Sullivan) wrote:
I would not keep any of the five networks as such, but have the two
new stations supply programmes that reflect the best of there
current five station network. That would be for the BBC to decide
which was best, I'd make sure the charter advise them to supply
documentaries, comedy and factual entertainment amongst other
things.
So if we were both paying for the license fee, which I am clearly not, I would suggest making programmes for the majority of those paying – figures would suggest R1 and R2. So when it's my turn to be DG, I'll air R1 and R2 and when it's your turn it would "documentaries, comedy and factual entertainment". The only problem I have with that is that when it's my turn again the audience figures would be so low that the vast majority would say – the BBC isn't for me I'm not paying anymore and that would be Goodbye BBC radio.
Radio_s One and Two were set-up to replace the Offshore stations of
the sixties, do we really need them to carry on doing this now? The
BBC had a monopoly then and so had to supply all the entertainment
the nation needed, do they really have to do that now in 2008?
In many cases they still fill the same role. The comparison between nothing and everyone doing the same is surely one of the same?
It is unfair competition to other commercial ventures. For example
I love the BBC's coverage of live football on Five Live, but lets
be honest, they have restricted Talksport from covering live Footie
by over inflating the price paid for matches
I don't know the full details so don't know. However, I would suggest that if the price went up and sponsors saw the value in sponsoring such output then commercials stations should be able to compete. Where the problem comes in is when the sponsors don't see the value for there products and as such say no – surely that is how it works?
Eric
Eric Tesug <...> said:
So if we were both paying for the license fee, which I am clearly not, I
would suggest making programmes for the majority of those paying –
This is always subjective, however I do not necessarily believe that public broadcasting should be catering for the majority, as I think it is impossible in the mutli channel environment of today to do this. Plus if we are talking purely about radio, no one is paying a license to receive these broadcasts unless it is via a television
figures would suggest R1 and R2.
Depending on what figures you are using I believe that should be R2 and R4
So when it's my turn to be DG, I'll air
R1 and R2 and when it's your turn it would "documentaries, comedy and
factual entertainment". The only problem I have with that is that when
it's my turn again the audience figures would be so low that the vast
majority would say – the BBC isn't for me I'm not paying anymore and that
would be Goodbye BBC radio.
I should state here that I agree with the direct tax with a Charter still in place and the BBC should not necessarily be chasing ratings, this has lead to a watered down Graham Norton and shows like "what shall we do about Maria" Don't ask!
Radio_s One and Two were set-up to replace the Offshore stations of
the sixties,In many cases they still fill the same role. The comparison between
nothing and everyone doing the same is surely one of the same?
Yes I know they still fill the same roll, but what I said is that we do not need a public broadcaster to do this anymore as we now have commercial radio.
Not quite sure what you are saying here, but if you are talking about the poor quality of music radio in the UK, this is due to the concentration of Ownership which my argument in a previous posting should resolve, if the competition commission follows it's rules and does not allow too concentrated ownership
It is unfair competition to other commercial ventures. For example
I love the BBC's coverage of live football on Five Live, but lets
be honest, they have restricted Talksport from covering live Footie
by over inflating the price paid for matchesI don't know the full details so don't know. However, I would suggest
that if the price went up and sponsors saw the value in sponsoring such
output then commercials stations should be able to compete. Where the
problem comes in is when the sponsors don't see the value for there
products and as such say no – surely that is how it works?
If I am correct in what you are saying, the FA have a price for there product and if they are unwilling to lower the price there would be no footie, then yes that is a risk you would have to take, however I cannot see that happening in the case of Football.
If you have an organisation that is not under commercial pressure to make a profit then that creates an unbalanced market. For example if the BBC was supplying Bananas outside Tescos and they were charging 40 pence, eventually Tescos are not going to sell Bananas because they cannot make a profit out of it,
Steve
This weekend, 26/27 April's shows on 1476.
1, Dave Dipso and the Punks, Punk Rock special.
2, Andy Walker, (70's disco).
3, Steve Underground.
4, Hugo Lee Jay.
5, The Archive hour (17) featuring,
KHJ (Los Angeles)- Robert W. Morgan (24–04–1973).
Radio Caroline- Tony Allen (15–04–1979).
Click here to listen http:wnkr.no-ip.org/listen.pls
Or visit http://1476.co.nr
Dave
Dave Martin <...> said:
This weekend, 26/27 April's shows on 1476.1, Dave Dipso and the Punks, Punk Rock special.
2, Andy Walker, (70's disco).
3, Steve Underground.
4, Hugo Lee Jay.
5, The Archive hour (17) featuring,
KHJ (Los Angeles)- Robert W. Morgan (24–04–1973).
Radio Caroline- Tony Allen (15–04–1979).
Click here to listen http:wnkr.no-ip.org/listen.pls
Or visit http://1476.co.nrDave
Oh the listen AD is http://wnkr.no-ip.org/listen.pls
and we are online now!! Transmission on 1476 from about 13:00 UTC Saturday.
Dave
From: "Richard Sharpe" <...>
Steve Martin <...> said:
Just watching a repeat of Heartbeat on ITV 3 and it is the one about the
pirate radio ship, "Radio North"Thanks for the heads up Steve,that is one episode i have never seen, I
missed it earlier and have just spotted a repeat is just starting on ITV
3, Sky Plus set!!
It is a national scandal!
They made the disc jockey villain out to be a dead ringer for our national hero Tony Blackburn!
Dave Martin <...> said:
Oh the listen AD is http://wnkr.no-ip.org/listen.pls
and we are online now!! Transmission on 1476 from about 13:00 UTC
Saturday.
Dave,
Listening online now . Thanks for Poly Styrene . WNKR from Punk to Funk . Love it. Puts the 'Merry back in England'. (Apologies to Christopher)
Regards.
This 828 kHz-transmitter is still off air now. It is expected that next Tuesday it will be back on air again with Arrow Classic Rock again too and thereafter starts on the First of May with the Dutch spoken "TalkRadio". Greetings of Nico from Gouda, the Netherlands.
Just learnt Humph sadly passed away this evening.
Thoughts to his family and friends.
Iam most sad .
