Saturday, 6 January 2007
Quoting a previous Sterling Times contribution:-
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Why fundamentally cannot radio and the press be treated in the same
manner?
Without me appearing to go off at a tangent, I also have problems in this regard when it comes to what can be broadcast on TV compared to what can be broadcast on radio.
As an example, I can produce a TV programme (let's pretend it's for broadcast by Channel 4, just picking one of the better channels at random) that has a lot of uncensored swearing within it for broadcast after 'the watershed'.
Indeed, it can give graphic accounts of what a gentleman thinks about women sexually, and what he likes to do to them. As long as it's in context, the lady front-bottom word that begins with 'C' and rhymes with 'hunt', can be broadcast with no problem. Yeah, it needs warnings at the bumpers, and ideally within the programme, but it can be broadcast.
Yet even using milder words on the radio seems to be so completely taboo. 'Couldn't give a fuck' is probably one of the milder uses of the 'f' word, and it's in everyday use. Yet, were a person to just casually say that phrase even hours after the watershed, even if bumpers continually warned of strong language, then the station would be obligated to 'dump' the output were it on delay, or apologise repeatedly, and no doubt face Ofcom and fines.
Why the disparity?
Quoting a previous Eric Wiltsher contribution:-
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Maybe they don't have the correct delay system in place or maybe they
have a policy of not wanting people to ramble on during music
programmes.
In modern music-radio (such as Capital Radio), the common trend is to allocate about 7–10 seconds to a caller. Typically the call is taken off-air and recorded about 10 minutes before it goes to air. The DJ then trims it down to barest bones, all spaces and pauses taken out, and plays it as if it was live before going wham into the next song (very neatly up to the vocals of course).
Easy. The radio audience is almost entirely composed
of elderly easily-offended duffers, whereas the TV
audience is almost entirely composed of the young
and/or brainless.
--- Christopher England <...>
wrote:
Yet even using milder words on the radio seems to be
so completely taboo. 'Couldn't give a fuck' is
probably one of the milder uses of the 'f' word, and
it's in everyday use. Yet, were a person to just
casually say that phrase even hours after the
watershed, even if bumpers continually warned of
strong language, then the station would be obligated
to 'dump' the output were it on delay, or apologise
repeatedly, and no doubt face Ofcom and fines.
Why the disparity?
* Christopher England just said that *
Quoting a previous Sterling Times contribution:-
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I'm just left wondering whether the high level of response is real.
Most usually a show is trying to 'lead by example', so a load of shout-outs or dedications are made up and read out in the hope that it will inspire genuine callers. I'd assume it was that, rather than people really calling.
Quoting a previous Dave Martin contribution:-
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There is speculation that CE may have been caught stealing a bottle of
wine from a shop owned by PR,
I thought we'd established with the Wired troll that it was actually 'borrowed', ok? Also it has no relation to the Super Lambanana incident, officer, ok?. That was just a co-incidence, ok? I'll sue anybody that says otherwise, ok? :-)
Quoting a previous Dave Martin contribution:-
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( I must stop looking at other forums! It's confusing me.),, ;-))))))
Too many trolls on that all important thread on t'other forum. They deliberately do all they can to destroy actual debate about the topic being debated, and shuffle on about off-topic items like DRM. They're men-tell as Nick Abbot would say.
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* Christopher England just said that *
Quoting a previous Martin Rosen contribution:-
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Mr Read, 56, who made his name as a TV and radio presenter in the
Eighties, put tackling crime and immigration and preserving the family
unit as his top priorities. He is cautious about Mr Cameron, saying he
is "impressed" by him as a person but wants to see more meat on his
policies.
Hmmm. OK, then. Should I come out about some anoraking of Mr Cameron?
See, I discovered www.webcameron.org.uk some long months ago. I'm hooked. I completely realise that's it's choreographed and staged, but through that there do appear to slip out some genuine moments of 'I'm a real man not just spinning you a line' during the camera-blogging, especially in the early days. Certainly seems to make him 'real' having a blog.
Quoting a previous tesug tesug contribution:-
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So if you were a betting person,
will it be MS or Apple that will win.
Nowt wrong with Vista.
Sterling Times said:
the removal of the fairness doctrine in the UK.
I am sure that the whole regulatory structure needs reviewing and overhauling in the UK though I am not sure exactly how the equivalent of the fairness doctrine applies.
There are other types of unbalance besides political but I guess it is the main one. The stations seem happy to try to balance things by having programmes that are biased both ways. On the non-sport bits of Talksport for example you have Gaunty who I don't listen to but folks say he reflects the more right-wing pub-going Sun readers but also they have Gallopaway who I like much more than I thought I would. He runs his show in parallel on Talk 107 as well and they have now brought in Tommy Sheridan who is supposedly far-left. Others on these stations can appear to be to one side or the other.
In the US it is the perception that right-wing talk is much more sucessful and abundant than left-wing, which either has no support or struggles to find the right formula for a radio show.
I think that intelligent radio these days needs to rely on more than just adopting a political extreme standpoint. There are so many more dimensions to the things you can talk about.
LBC are sucessfully moving away from the serious and into their "entertaining conversation" concept, but when political bias is on view it is clear that both sides are covered. Nick Ferrari is openly an active Conservative whilst plenty others are clearly on the left.
Perhaps it is more important that we get good station management and the right on-air talent in place. Perhaps if that were the case then more radio stations could sound a lot better, even under the existing less-than-perfect regulations. I think I would still sack all the bods at OFCOM though, just to be on the safe side.
On 06 Jan 2007 00:58:09 +0000, Christopher England <...> wrote:
Quoting a previous tesug tesug contribution:-
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So if you were a betting person,
will it be MS or Apple that will win.Nowt wrong with Vista.
There's everything wrong with Vista. It's not an upgrade it's a sidegrade giving little advantage to the user and doing more to erode our rights to digital media than any other os ! I'll dig out some evidence tomorrow when I'm more awake but the conclusion of many in my (IT) industry is to stick with XP for as long as poss or migrate to a Linux flavour or dare I even say an Apple machine.
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Regards,
Geoff
Christopher England <...> said:
Quoting a previous Dave Martin contribution:-~
( I must stop looking at other forums! It's confusing me.),, ;-))))))
Too many trolls on that all important thread on t'other forum. They
deliberately do all they can to destroy actual debate about the topic
being debated, and shuffle on about off-topic items like DRM. They're
men-tell as Nick Abbot would say.--
* Christopher England just said that *
Yes I noticed that your actual questions were never answered and that quotes were edited to distort what you had actually said. Any way they can have it all to themselves, as it's much too childish for me.
dave.
Original Message:
From: Geoff ...
Date: 05 Jan 2007 21:37:29 +0000
People in cars don't care if the content is stereo or not – if fact
younger people would have a hard time hearing stereo the way systems are
set up.
Can you point to research that shows that people do not care if stuff
is in stereo or not.
Just go to a night club car park :-) Sure there are so-called 1,000watt systems with the bass flat-out, and how does that create stereo when standing behind the car with the boot open.
There will now be 40+ members of A.N. all playing tracks in the car which demonstrate the stereo seperation of their systems, well not from medium wave or shortwave frequencies yet, and so will a few readers.
Or do some research yourself, sit with people in cars and chat to them – a regular pastime in cars – and see if stereo is important.
If you ask, I'm sure, most men about the in-car system they will say stereo is important – when surveyed. That's what is known as re-justifying the purchase. The reality is they wouldn't normally think about after the purchase.
I'm wondering how many in-car systems are today sold on the merits of: 1. A.M
2. H.F.
or
3. F.M
4. CD
and now more so
5. Line-in
6. DAB
and next just
7. Digital
Eric
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Geoff Rogers <...> said:
There's everything wrong with Vista. It's not an upgrade it's a
sidegrade giving little advantage to the user and doing more to erode
our rights to digital media than any other os ! I'll dig out some
evidence tomorrow when I'm more awake but the conclusion of many in my
(IT) industry is to stick with XP for as long as poss or migrate to a
Linux flavour or dare I even say an Apple machine.
Wow, I am in total agreement with Geoff.
Original Message:
From: Lloyd Atkins ...
Date: 06 Jan 2007 10:47:48 +0000
Wow, I am in total agreement with Geoff.
Steady Tiger
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In my view, you are right.
Doing a bit of anoraking with "clunky" things is very good and great fun. However, when push becomes shuv – you have the kit to do the job at 2007 speeds.
Recently, I had the offer of using an old avid thang and after looking at it in a sort of dribblin' in an old way style, I declined and built a PC-based edit suite for the job.
Then sent the master mv2 to London via an ftp server.
I suppose the edit could have been done slightly quicker, as a one off, using the old avid, but sending the 30minute prog to London would have taken days by courier.
Quicker via ftp and as I've now got another mv2 to make the time spent a few days ago will be more than made up for over this weekend.
Glad you introduced "Skype Anorak" into your proes.
Dunno about all the yoof, we have yoof and now I can share that when I chucked all sorts of various on-line chat things out of the station it was greeted with 'Skype, that'll never catch on'. These says, a whole new ball game – most wouldn't live without Skype.
I even have chats with telecom companies using Skype, how cool is that?
As for the youtube and blog thangs, sure they're great. I'm sure I read somewhere that blogs and video sites are now more popular than old-fashioned web sites :-) . Made me smile when I saw old-fashioned and web-sites used in the same sentence.
Oh well, back to work
Eric
Original Message:
From: Christopher England ...
Date: 05 Jan 2007 23:23:35 +0000
As an example, in this video recording world, I have spent fortunes in recent times on modern hard drive based optically brilliant based HD cameras and portable Avid kits to do post production on the fly, and yet had a completely enjoyable evening recently watching an old off-line Avid system in operation with physical video tape players stopping and starting and lots of mechanical clunky things happening.
Aren't we all a bit like that? (Or am I mad and it's just me?)
You Skype anoraks have to convince me that it has value, you know. All da yoof seem to use is MSN combined with MySpace and YouTube to cover all their conferencing and entertainment needs. Come on, give it your best shot.
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Dave Martin <...> said:
Yes I noticed that your actual questions were never answered and that
quotes were edited to distort what you had actually said.
Any way they can have it all to themselves, as it's much too childish
for me.dave.
Unfortunately we never got further than resolving the remarks made about PR. Just as we did CE through his handbag at me.
Still can't work out why DRM was off-topic, but if suggesting that it was OT helps to divert the questioning I suppose he thinks it's justified.
Quoting a previous Les Wires contribution:-
Unfortunately we never got further than resolving the remarks made about
PR.
Stop trolling Les, it makes you look a silly billy, innit.
Nowhere were any 'remarks' made about Paul Rusling by little old me, so you should withdraw that suggestion, Les, before I'm forced to sue you for Millions and Millions of your earth Pounds for not actually joining in with conversations rather than trolling them.
I explained everything in four part harmony, yet everybody watched you as you ran away and hid from engaging in actual responses to questions, preferring your legendary not-obvious-at-all style of disrupting a discussion in order that you score kudos points with yer anti-Christopher England mates.
G'is your contact details so's a big sexy TV documentary crew can come and interview you, mate? :-)
